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Record of the discussion in our group
J: Jackie M: Mai Y: Yoshimi
J: This is group B and it is Jackie;
Y: And I'm Yoshimi;
M: And I am Mai.
J: And does anybody have any questions about this materials or some extra materials to support your ideas or some other interesting things to say?... After read these materials, so my question…first question is you two ladies and ..which do you prefer? The health body or some other … like keep a good shape, yeah…how do you think er…that a young lady is very fat. How do you think about yourself.
Y: Surely, when I was a junior high school student, I cared about my weight and want to diet. And some of friends actually did the diet by, ah-, exercise. So, not eating and challenging the odd, ah-, method. It mean like a appeal diet, oh-, Kinako? Kinako diet.
Many methods they, they try to and actually I did. But I think it's not, it was not healthy for me, because that, a, that period, I have to eat and grow up and to make the bone. So I think, because too, ah, I think too fat is not good. But too care is also bad.
J: So can you give me the… the details about the diet. I mean how many percent in your friends are trying to this. You really did this.
M: I don't know the percentage but…(J: You have the image.)…my image is almost all girls care about the weight.
J: The same to me. My image is that, all girls around me, they also..always say that I want to start my dieting.
Y: So, are the magazine, like that kind of magazine means we brought and read the, at the school and talking about them, ah-,
J: So what is ..what's the standard of it.. they want to be. I mean, well, if somebody weight about 120…or…60 kg, so he felts that… he or she felts that he or she is a lit bit fat…a lit bit fat, so he want to cut down his weight to a level. What's the level is? What's the standard? What's the standard? Is it… right away you mentioned that some girls buy some magazines or some... don't there any standards …these magazines?
Y: in the magazine, ah-, they wrote method to diet or how to thin maga, the model is very thin and we want to become her or the proportion.
J: So, there must be some data of their… of these models, some size data, I think… he he he J
Y: Ah, yeah. Date, date. The size may they did. Maybe, ah-,(J: Is it secret?) less than, less than sixty, sixty weight c ｍ , ah-, is good for girls, I think. But I don't know the date. It's my idea. Maybe guys also, is also care about weight or…in your case?
J: Me? I don't care of this… about this… J cause I am a little bit thin, so I want to be fat and stronger. And ??? yes, they have such a materials or such articles about…cut down your weight… ??? about women's …women's dieting and my friends also …also always complain to me that this… they are much fatter than before, sometimes one kilogram, two kilograms … I think in their, all of people that they have such a imagine that the weight is very important. But as me I think that health is much important and as Rainne's materials said how media play a big ???important part of this… this fashion? Not fashion. I also mentioned that…last week I said that there is a period in China , we are… we all people think that the fatter the better. ??? So it depends. It depends on the society; it depends on the…(M: I think so.) what people think.
Y: So, what do you think, ah-, this material, ah-oh-, (J: Which one?) eating disorder static, statics, statistics.
J: I was really shocked that some data is much higher than I ..than I used to think such like the Time Magazine reports that 80% of all children have been on a diet by the time that they have reached the fourteen grade… fourth grade. It's very high, I think, 80% of all children have been on a diet, and I think… well, but do you still have any questions. Well, what's really the diet mean? If sometimes, such like, I don't have a… I don't have time to eat breakfast, lunch. Is that also be called diet?
Y: I don't think so. It's maybe it's term(actually, time) problem, but diet is… not cal, yes, save the, the quantity of the eating or eating deal. So, maybe this satics, statistics don't have the one. But, yeah, I agree with you, because the rate is too high. (J: The rate is very high, I think so.)I think when I was a junior, junior, a elementary school student, I didn't think so. S Some of my friends care their weight a little, but, I think, 80% is too high. Yeah. I don't know what country, country is the most care about the, the weight, an, especially this case, I wonder the what country…
J: Well, so what do think that… how do you think that in which… in which year, in which age, from what age, the children or some youth have such a sense that they have to… they have to diet or they should diet from the 15 th or 14 th , or from the high school?
Y: I think maybe, in my idea, in my idea, I think, ah-, junior high school the subject, I remember, ah-, subject a, like, ah-, about the diet, lesson, yeah,
J: The subject, you mean.
M: the subject, like about diet.
J: Lessons, you mean? Lessons...
M: Care about the…
J: oh… you start to care about it.
Y: so maybe the conscious to diet is start more serious, that age, I think.
M: In my case, when I was a elementary school students. (J: Elementary school?) Yeah, fifth grade, um.. most of us care about the weight and some of them tried to medicine, and apple diet,
J: That's quite young.
Y: Mumm, they will …___???:
J: So their parents did give them the money to…
M: I think man, it is not good but they aren't interested in weight, and I think that advertisement in magazine effect them.
Y: How about your case, in your case?
M: I was care but I …I'm …
J: You did this?
M: Actually I wanted to did this.
Y: You also care your baby in the age?
M: Yes, but not so serious.
Y: So far, we told about the, ah-, diet, but how about the, ah-, fat (M: fat?) , a, fat of stress. What do you think…? Ah-, in the material, some of them, ah, wrote their fat, about the fat and, and the stress of surrounding, the, one of surrounding them gives them the condition. So, in that case, what do you think of…?
M: I think, umm… it is worse to have a stress…
J: Pardon? You mean stress? Pressures? Nervures.
M: pressures…norvos.
Y: Depression.
J: Oh…I see.
Y: Ah-, I, in my case, before the, before the test, examination, examination, ah-, the regular, regular examination like ah- term examination. And I have to work, ah-, I have to study, ah-, two or three days before the examination, I study and, and I eat, (J: Eat a lot?) yes, because a write and eat because I wake up and, (J: Err… you have such a custom…) yes, so, I think it's a kind of beginning of the, of the disease of fat. Because some people, ah-, most people can stop it if they don't , ah-, they finish their, their, ah-, (J: Homework.)yeah, homework or their thing gives, gives them pressure, but some people can't stop, so,…
J: Just like a man, sometimes smoke, and drink. This is the..
Y: yes, yes, so this is the one reason, one beginning of the, of the, yes.
J: becoming fat. That's because this person's custom, they have such a custom when they do something such as watching TV… yeah, I see.
Well, in my case, I don't care about this but my mom have once… did such a diet, well, I think .. it is terrible, I think, she just eat very little and drink and spent a lot of money. And.. yes, they really did cut down his.. err. her weight. But in some months later, it is back.
Y: In my imagine, the dieter is most; most of the dieter is teenage. (J: yes) Uun, yeah. So, in your ah-, like your mother, ah-, ah-,
J: well, you know, well you know when he (she) gave birth the children, gave birth me… they will become much fatter, yes, then their shapes will changing, change. And … I think it's not because of my mother want to do this, cause all the woman, well, all the women, umm her friends, umm.. well… the persons work together with her.. how to say…the person works together with..
Y: What? Colleague.
M: Colleague.
J: Colleague, yeah. They, most of them buy the … some medicines, maybe …??? Pills, or some foods to, they, he want to, she want to cut down his weight, then he advised all of the women around her who are willing want to cut down. …???? … so… yeah…my mom was effected a lot and she did so. I think it's no meaning, no meaning.
M: And, and like ah-, in this material, ah-, (J: this one?) yeah, this, this one ah-, ah-, written dis, disorder, disorder in men.
J: well, this is news for me, I think, this is news for me. Well, in my imagine, …cause I think, all the women care about ..???which is higher than I think the men just want to strong their muscle, they want their muscle become much stronger, I think. But in this article, they also… this man also thinks that there is a standard. If fatter that this standard, if this is...the weight is higher that the standard this man has to cut the weight.
Y: Yeah, an, in this article, this say the fashionable, fashionable, because this be, the reason why he, he cut his weight is fashionable, because so, ah-, not only, not only they, they say they want to cut their weight but also the, the tendency, the tendency. For example, newspaper, magazines, or TV, all of materials create their desire, desire to want to cut their weight, I think. This is a fat, yeah, fa, fi, this is a feature, feature of, feature of, of the… I think. What do you think of … the…?
J: well, I think. It is first time I, that they know that… this article let me know that also some mean, there is also such a standard that to measure their .. of their body, shape, I think, their muscle. Every friend of mine, they try to practice to strong their body, they let them be much healthier and stronger. But this man he didn't , he just let his body stronger, he just close a, close, they just, he just close to some standard of model, or, maybe some data on the magazine, such like that. I think this man is much like the women to diet.
Y: Ah-, I think maybe the rate of man want to cut his weight is increase if the, this condition is continue, yes.
M: They want to keep?
Y: Ah-, if the magazine or some medias continue to, to broadcast the, the, this or thin is good, is good their continue to thin is these good. And their health was, for health is bad, bad thing.
M: Thin is good….
M: so, they thought…err.. you said you think thin is good? Ah… they know the bad thing for health?
Y: A, ah-, they, they, ah, the, this condition is keep, they, like woman, women, they keep, they try to cut their weight for a long time, I think.
Oh, oh, now, ah-, magazines are or some media broadcast the thin is, yeah, broadcast are say the, the thin man is cool, a, some of them, thin man?(J: a thin man? Like some pop starts? Me? I don't care of thin. J ) Not so thin man, yeah, yes. Like a, so, so, they, I I think they try to…, yeah. I wonder who is, who is man's ideal, for example, in Japan ? The…
M: Do you have the ideal in Japan ?
J: In Japan ? The Japanese?
M: yeah.
J: Umm… maybe he is not Japanese… Err…
Y: What kinds of job he did, do? Yeah, actor, yeah. Doraemon?
J: He is a actor. Ideal man? (M; Yeah.)The man I think is good, the man…maybe a… a movie star. Is that a movie?
M: His muscle?
J: No… I don't …his muscle.
Y: He is also thin,
J: Umm…Yeah, he is not strong. I think he is in a good condition. Well, some, I think some pop stars are thin, some of them are not very thin, just like “Chemistry”.
J: Yeah, umm. So it's maybe one of the reason the man…what do you think? Is it, is it the reason one of the reason or not, ah-, what to imitate them.
M: Just see the CD, want to imitate them?
J: yes, how do you think a man that … if they do not do any exercise, … ,like that and they want to keep a thin shape, keep a much thinner shape than women. I think it is nature.??? just see my class. No body is fat.
Y: Yeah, of, in this class, the mans mans are not fat, yeah. Obesity.
J: I think in my age, that the fat men is much less.
M: By the way, I've heard that some child… children were gave some sweets by parents. They were ??? a betters, they like chocolate, cake, they were gain too much so they became the bossily children.
Y: So, you think their parents, their parent should, should, ah-, no shouldn't gave children too much or, or to education, educate in their childhood. (M: Education?)Ah, no, sorry, to educate, a, uun, their parents have to educate their child too, too much eat wasn't good, isn't good, you think so?
M: yes, I think so. Actually, there are the data indicate..…umm, if parents gave their children an sweets too much… that's reason of obstuall…
J: Actually, when the parents on their level, their life is going, I think it's nature that the parent gave good things to children, good things to eat. It is normal in China , I think. They gave their best to the children. Of course, they think this is the best way… actually, some of them is not very good, I think… and, yes, and, well, some of my friends, they have their babies, they were really fat than before, well, the normal weight is 5,6 kg.
M: Normal weight? I think that the normal weight is 5 or 6 kg.
Y : 5 or 6 kg ?
J: oh.. sorry. I mean about 3 or 2.5 kg, but some of them have 4, 5 or much fatter them.
M: Ah… the children gave an? some sweets? Sweet, they are not able to recover weight?
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